tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174931926240040143.post5982815658867856824..comments2023-11-05T09:52:43.926+00:00Comments on Sonofabook: Groundhog daycharleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16580118367334638930noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174931926240040143.post-47882912571549915972011-06-07T12:14:19.887+01:002011-06-07T12:14:19.887+01:00Chris, thank you. Eliot looms, of course: 'Poe...Chris, thank you. Eliot looms, of course: 'Poetry is ... not the expression of personality, but an escape from personality.' Which brings in another problematic term. I think you are right - and your words about excavation, and poems evading their own authors, are surely spot on - and I am right too: the poems I'm thinking of settled for less than they might have. Settled too soon. Were safety-first. One of the reasons I can't write poems now is the self-defeating effort I put in to push them further. With prose I'm more relaxed; prose is leading me astray, which is as it should be.charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16580118367334638930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174931926240040143.post-81672552596641342882011-06-06T11:35:04.439+01:002011-06-06T11:35:04.439+01:00Charles, in my limited experience, I think that ve...Charles, in my limited experience, I think that very much poetry is about evasion (of the self); even when it's a rather jejune ego-surging piece from a debutante it's an evasion — perhaps an excavation of kinds of absence. And every poem on completion evades its author in ways one can't expect or understand. We all <i>ultimately</i> avoid ourselves (even at the points of greatest attendance).<br /><br />I think the great gift of middle-age is a profound boredom with any notions of self discovery and self revelation — and then we have the last great eternal evasion to look forward to. I'd very much like to see you writing poetry again. There are many of us out here who would want more from you. But that rarely provides a pressure to poetry. <br /><br />I like to think that poems have vicarious lives and their own biographies and trajectories — like little head births (as Grass might have it) — they go on beside us, take a different door, the second left, the third exit, and leave us. And sometimes there are those collisions when we meet past works again and perhaps don't enjoy the company as much as we remembered. But that's life, the poems after all, might equally be disenchanted with the choices we made, and move off, muttering, someplace else.Chris Hamilton-Emeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928551937889405501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174931926240040143.post-33748901148251676862011-06-01T14:53:13.660+01:002011-06-01T14:53:13.660+01:00It's a complicated family: half cousins, secon...It's a complicated family: half cousins, second cousins once removed ... They get on, on the whole. CB can be moody, needs taking out of himself, JW does the trick. JR is reliable but lazy.charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16580118367334638930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174931926240040143.post-16755576955145303482011-06-01T14:01:56.737+01:002011-06-01T14:01:56.737+01:00I like this idea of evasion. Is it a cousin of sub...I like this idea of evasion. Is it a cousin of sublimation? And empathy? Are your Jennies and Jacks not created, creative characters? Perhaps evasion is needed to make all imaginative writing.elisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174931926240040143.post-31856356474356375412011-05-30T23:45:53.745+01:002011-05-30T23:45:53.745+01:00I feel like I'm eavesdropping very hard. Wonde...I feel like I'm eavesdropping very hard. Wonderful ruminations on both sides.Ms Baroquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01836227454899083962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9174931926240040143.post-66175870222382784692011-05-30T11:25:18.725+01:002011-05-30T11:25:18.725+01:00I intended that as praise, Charles. One of my mant...I intended that as praise, Charles. One of my mantras to students about poetry is: <i>Enter firmly: step off lightly.</i> Evasion may be too big a term in any case... <br /><br />I do think - as I said - that the poems are beautiful. I feel there is something Schubertian about them. They are poems about intense personal states; the consciousness is what holds the space, the lyric breath and the awareness of how it holds itself in space. It seems to me a post-Romantic form of Romanticism which is hard to maintain, possibly because the consciousness grows tired of its own presence. Of its own gift too perhaps.<br /><br />But there is much else out there to write about: there are subjects beyond subjects beyond the condition of the consciousness, and you have the most precise of instruments at your disposal. CB Editions is a great thing, and it faces outward. The man does, so the poet can.<br /><br />Forgive the plethora of 'I think' , 'I don't think', and 'I feel'. There is a fine poem by John Heath-Stubbs, 'Use of Personal Pronouns' (you will know it I imagine), the third line of which is a complaint in inverted commas: '"You begin every sentence with I" - the rebuke was well taken: / But how on earth else am I to begin them?'<br /><br />I begin that way because the poems strike me that way. There is no reason you should take my comments seriously, and it feels a little presumptuous even making them. Nor would I have made them if I hadn't picked up your book for £1. But then it was so good, I couldn't resist.<br /><br />It is awkward talking on a blog comment like this where it is semi-public. Drop me an email at georgeszirtes@gmail.com if you want. <i>The Very Man</i> is a real book to me.George Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08889600788146987089noreply@blogger.com